After messing around with the software for a few hours tonight I noticed it was becoming easier to fall into the groove with my guitar player. We are separated by about 30 miles and had a sync delay of 44ms applied in auto mode. At first, it was pretty difficult to keep our tempo steady without slowing down. You tend to want to slow your fingers down to match what you are hearing and doing that just makes it worse. I feel you actually want to force you tempo a little and play on top of the beat if not ahead of it.

After playing in a session for about 2 hours we were both noticing it was becoming easier to adjust to hearing the delay of your instrument. Singing was really tough and I don't know if that will be something I can adjust too, but then again I'm not a singer so it's not a real concern to me.

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Here is the second part of my post that wouldn't fit.

I fell like the less you concentrate on what you are playing and more on what you are hearing, the easier it becomes. I'd think that after a couple weeks of working with the software, the whole idea of playing with a slight delay will become second nature.

I would not suggest freeform jams to those that are just trying out the software. You should probably try to play a song you are very familiar with and if you are lucky, with some you know or have played with in person. The one freeform jam I took part in was a total shamble and discouraging for my first session.

Hey Bassman,

About the forums, I know I know I know I know. were working on it.

And thanks for the very informative post!

Chris

Hey Bassman - Thanks for your feedback. You actually put into words what I've been saying for a while too - focus on what you're hearing in your headphones, not on what your fingers are doing.

Plus, you're right - eJamming AUDiiO requires that you play AHEAD of the beat by the amount of the sync delay on your seat. So if you're 44mS to your playing partner, you need to play ahead of the beat by that 44mS to play your notes in sync with your playing partner. And the sync delay is not symmetrical - he or she could be 47mS to you, and they would need to play ahead of the beat by 47mS.

eJamming co-founder Gail Kantor is a professional singer, and with practice, she has been able to sing hearing herself delayed up to 60mS - so it is possible...

just press "m" on your own track and listen to your actual instrument

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM BEING DESCRIBED HERE

Ah, err, mm Yes you do have to deal with the problem mentioned here. If you mute your delayed track and monitor your source track (maybe from your mixer or Guitar Pod) and try to play in time to a beat(load a Ejamming MIDI beat), you will hear yourself intime while the person on the other end hears you lagging and dragging behind the beat. I have done detailed trials with this trying to out do the Latency factor. Does not and cant work. Signle player just jamming by yourself and not recording? Well then yes.

Best bet: Start a new session (Using Distance Setting). By yourself play and adjust the ASIO 4 ALL or ASIO compliant driver buffer from the suggested 512 to 256k or 128k. (Same goes for MAC with third party Hardware, Like Digidesign M-Audio, Motu) Basically getting rid of the latncy in the system as much as possible before trying to play with others.(Note 128k may render you to unstable so usually 256k is best)

Then once there is virtually no or little latency you are ready to try connecting with another player. Once in the session, your sync should be set to AUTO, after the optimization process happens from the Ejamming software you can attemp to use the manual sync, gradually reducing the SYNC mS down until you see the RECEIVING YOU signal strenght down to 2 bars (center and 1 line) Talk with your jamming partner to make sure you are not dropping out.

Make sure to disbale any active internet apps, browsers should be closed active scanning from antivirus. Make sure your family or friends are not using the same internet connection as you are (Dont share bandwidth or download or itunes, myspace while using Ejamming)

You now have the best connection speed for your system. BTW, Check with your ISP to get the latest firmware update for your Modem and Router Firewall. Usually the IPS tech will push this out to the device when you call in. Also use speedtest.net to check your connection up spped and the number of pings. Try lots of areas over the US and abroad. You will be suprised at the difference connection speeds and pings. going from your hmoe to somewhere close by can take more pings and be slower than connecting to a different state 1000 mile away

Couldn't have said it better myself Realtime.

What do you think a good upload speed is? What is the minimum for it to work well with 2 people? 3 people?

600 kbps up seems to work ok for 3 or 4 person jam